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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:53 pm 
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So, I get the basic concepts of training a dog to blood trail, but what are some good ways to set up a drag? Do you just drag the meat/organ along at first, or try to put it down at intervals? How long should they be to begin with and in what increments do you increase the difficulty? Does it make a difference if you are working with an adult dog that already has an established prey drive and nose, or is it the same as working a pup?

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Are you going to try and have the first Lacy with three UKC titles? A tri-athlete if you will? Hog hunting, squirrel treeing and Blood trailing (assuming that I can get a hog hunting event sanctioned by the UKC that is)?

The best method that I have found is using a turkey baster to lay a mock trail. Start short and gradually lengthen it. Old dog or pup, they start the same and train the same. Its still a first time experience for them.

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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:41 pm 
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That is the plan ;) Do you really start out with blood though? I thought dragging a larger piece of meat got them going better. I suppose we could experiment at your house this weekend. Have Will start saving some blood and organs.

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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:03 pm 
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I like how you have to rely on Will to get some blood for you..............just saying.


I just walked in the house from putting one out for Atee. From past talks with Jeff(Cotton-TBH) and Jerry I drag a deer leg and drop small amounts of blood on to the leg and start my drag. At first I kept the tracks short and in a line(75-100 yds) and then with each week I added 50-75 yards and some turns and such. The one thing they told me was to not over do it. It isnt like training a lab. About a track a week is good is what I was told over and over.

I put Seven on her first REAL track last week. Bow shot doe. Just a few drops of blood were found(@ 5 ml maybe) Dropped her on the ground and we were off. She hit the blood good, lost scent 60 yards or so into the track. I started her again on the first drop. 125-150 yards later she finds a pin drop( * was about the size). After that she lost all scent. We didnt find the deer. The deer was found the next day, in the other direction. I know she was on the trail........deer must of been still on its feet and circled back and layed up to die. The shot was high so not much blood was on the ground. It was a bad track for her first real one............ I was happy and mad at the same time. I also learned that I wont be able to use her around people she didnt know.


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Kass & I have always started the pups with blood. Laid an easy drop track for the first couple with a piece of meat at the end of the trail. Then Kass makes it harder and longer until they are tracking out over 100yrds then we lay a track and leave it be for a couple of hours and do it again. Of course we do this at 8wks old...at 6wks old Kass trails them in the house with meat ...long story short she has a stuffed snail that has a zipper. She hides the meat in the snail. Drags it around the house then hides it. Then she starts the pup where she began dragging...they hunt until they find the snail. So our Lacy puppies are snail hunters :lol:

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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:00 pm 
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Sounds like Kass has it down!! Snails and all!

I start the pups on a liver drag. One time Rob was dragging a liver for the pups. He had fishing line tied around the liver and Lucy came along and ate the liver!! He caught her just a minute after she swallowed it and he just pulled on the line and out it came!!

For the older dogs, I use a squeeze bottle and just drop a little here and there. I ride the 4 wheeler and put turns, etc all in the trail. I have to put surveyors tape up at the turns, or I forget where I went!! Then, I dont know if the dogs are following the trail or just doing their own thing!! They say that a smart dog will learn the flags, but I dont know that Lucy has ever noticed them. I put meat at the end. Lucy smells the meat long before she gets to the end. One time Roy drug the hog that Lucy wouldnt eat. I made her follow the trail, altho she could have taken me straight to the body.

We left meat at the end of a trail that we let age for a few hours. When Lucy and I got to the end of the trail, Roy kept telling me that we were right at it! But, something had come along and eaten the meat!! You never can tell whats going to happen around here!!

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Julie, I've been meaning to do some practice lines with my dogs. If you want, we can work dogs together sometime. I have a little big of blood and a few hides in the freezer.

I started my dogs on blood after feeding them a few treats of bloody raw deer meat after exposing them to live deer and deer carcasses. They were so gentle with the live deer we had but a dead deer meant one thing - food!

Wearing rubber boots and latex gloves to minimize oder contamination of the scent line, I drag a hide while despensing blood from a turkey baster. A squeeze bottle works also, as Betty mentioned. When introducing dogs to trailing, I make the line very easy...with lots of blood...and place the hide over some rocks or a barrell at the end of trail so it looks more like a deer. I used to keep a couple of frozen heads too but they take up too much space in the freezer. Throw some meat treats on the hide. When my dogs find a deer carcass they usually lick the entrance wound or chew on the legs.

For older dogs, make the scent trails more difficult...spots of blood placed every few yards apart or more.

90 degree turns teach them about self correction and finding direction.

As you work your way to more advanced practice, it's good to wait a couple of hours after lying the line. Fresh scent has maximum appeal (great for beginners but experienced dogs need the challenge.)

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By the way, I feel utilizing a deer hide or head is ever bit as important as blood when training. I like to leave legs attached when I skin a hide for training. Deer have scent glands between their toes (interdigital) and on their hocks (tarsal) and mature bucks have odors that are potent even to humans. The dog needs to learn to pay attention to deer scent as well as blood scent.

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I`m tellin' ya...Sadie needs a snail...kind of like her Dillo.... :lol:

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 Post Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:26 am 
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Mike said (this is his theory)
"Wound a deer (in season) then drop your dog(s) thats pretty much what he did with Ellie and she is a tracking fool! "

In other words give your dog some credit for being smart & knowing what it's supposed to do. With the Lacy Dog they know how to do it....they just have to be shown that their person wants them to do it.

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Without a doubt...there's no substitution for the real thing. But if you don't have access to a place where you can put your dog on lots of live practice trails, you just have to do the best you can with what you have.

I'm desperate to work my dogs this year. They got to do two live tracks in September and one live track in October and one in November. Without a place to hunt or a place to work my dogs on deer shot by other hunters, we are hurting for blood trail practice.

At this point I'd be willing to pay somebody to let my dogs find their deer.

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 Post Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:57 pm 
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Savoy, I'm still praying for my poor doe :(( Besides, that is way too messy, and isn't that was boys are for?

Court, I definitely be up for some training drags! Of course my schedule is awful, I'm not free until 6 at the earliest and am in the middle of a deadline right now. But hopefully I can get Sadie on some real simple trails and then try a few with your professionals. Even if we didn't run them, I'd just love to see you and your dogs work, I'm sure it would be very educational.

And sorry you aren't getting more tracks. You really need to get on a new lease!

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I pray for our does and bucks...at supper we all bow our heads and say grace O:-)
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I havent done any advertising, such as handing out cards this year, and we sure arent getting any calls. We've only gone on that one call. I dont want a whole bunch, but one a week or so would be nice!! Shoot, even our hunter dropped his deer this year. The deer did go a little ways and we let the dogs run the track, but it was an easy track.

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Betty, I think deer hunting across the state is just not very good this year. It seems harvest numbers are down everywhere.

Julie, we can do both simple and challenging drags. I'd love to watch Sadie work! I only have about 5 ounces of blood in the freezer right now but hopefully I'll get more by the end of the month...and I do have three hides.

I'm having surgery next week and I hope to go hunting one more time before Christmas. Just let me know when things settle down at work and we'll try to find a weekend when we're both free. :D

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