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 Post Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:27 pm 
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For those who have not ever been to a Bay Competition, you have to be wondering what
the fuss is all about.

The Big competitions are Uncle Earl's & now Fort Bayou
Fortunately they have great pictures, videos and results that make a little
more sense of the scene for new comers.

Uncle Earl's pictures http://www.fortbayouranch.com/2009uncleearls.html
Results for Uncle Earl's...every competitor would like these bragging rights! http://www.bayedsolid.com/uncle_earls.htm
This link is to an old article but it gives a good run down on Earl's set up http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/louisiana/64069

Fort Bayou pictures & video http://www.fortbayouranch.com/
Now we missed out on this one but here is what happened..http://www.fortbayouranch.com/may2009flyer.html


Notice the lack of Lacy Dogs in the photos? It is NOT because they can't compete in this arena..they can more than hold their own. It IS however because of a lack of participation on the part of Lacy owners. Not that I`m pushing anyone into that direction..just saying they CAN & WILL do this..and WIN..if you work them that way.

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 Post Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:12 pm 
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I've read a lot up on the subject since checking out this board. I have to say, I'd love to go to one of these events and watch. One of these days I'll make it out to Texas to have some fun instead of just work.


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 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:38 am 
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Jonathan,

Not just Texas has the hog bayings, I believe Oklahoma, Alamaba, Louisiana and a few other states have them. Florida banned them then they hosted it on an Indian reservation and so many people came it was considered a success then the animal right nuts decided to threaten the native americans and was going to sue them or something so they didn't host the next year's baying which was a real disappointment. Used to be there were catch dog contests...I went to the last legal one in Texas. I know Louisiana banned catch dog events but allows bayings same as Texas.


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 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:55 pm 
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Catch dog trials, sometimes called hog dog rodeos by the animal rights activists, are very different from bay competitions. For one, I'm pretty sure the catch trials are illegal everywhere now, but they are definitely illegal in Texas. The point of those, obviously, is to see which dog can catch a hog the fastest. Which is important in the woods, but when you put a pig in a pen and let it slammed by catch dogs over and over again, it isn't very fair to the hog.

Bay competitions do not allow catching. A bay dog can nip to quickly spin a running hog around, but if they bite and hold any part of the hog for more than 5 seconds, they are disqualified. The point is to perfectly control the pig without catching. That takes a lot of skill, and it is really neat to watch the best bay dogs at work. I think this video of a Fort Bayou Ranch dog is pretty cool, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFrpmhObhMs.

The biggest bay in the country right now is Fort Bayou, which is held in Vancleave, MS. There are some really great ones in Louisiana as well, most notably Uncle Earl's held every March. And of course Texas, I try to post as many of those as possible. But it's definitely a Southern thing. And it is definitely a competition for seriously trained dogs. Good bay pen dogs sell for thousands of dollars because they'll win back thousands in prize money.

Mis, hopefully we'll start to rectify the lack of Lacy pics and videos this weekend!

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 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:36 am 
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8 seconds is the time limit on catches. Anything over that subtracted from the score. Catch events is not something I believe need to exist because catch dogs literally need little to no training...most of the time it's 100% instinct.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:38 am 
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"8 seconds is the time limit on catches. Anything over that subtracted from the score."

I don't know when the last time you were at a bay comp was but this is incorrect, inhuman, illegal, and not legal in any sanctioned event. The ABDR lists a MAXIMUM 5 count as catch out, while giving individual bay pens the authority to further reduce that time, and sights mandatory disqualification as repercussion.

Some pens use a 3 count and I have even seen a DQ for a single catch out extend to all classes, disqualifying that dog from any farther participation in any other class for that competition.

Furthermore, catch competitions, hog dog rodeos, or what ever the hell you want to call them are illegal and will not be discussed on this board. Some post have been edited for that reason.

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 Post Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:49 am 
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That's fine. I was just mentioning it from the last legal catch event I attended many years ago. I know that bay pen contest rules are: 2 mins (generally) and if the dog catches out then the dog is immediately disqualified if the dog stays caught. I do not plan to go to any catch events legal or not anytime in the future. It was just merely a discussion. I miss going to bay pen contests but they're in no way the same as woods hunting where pretty much anything goes because the dogs have to work on their own to control the hog. I was slowly changing from bay pen contests to woods hunting when I relocated to KS...hog hunting regulations are very tightly regulated as I've already mentioned and won't comment again because it's so long a discussion about moronic KS hunting regulations. They're big on bird hunting and deer hunting here in KS than anything else.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:15 pm 
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TedH71 wrote:
8 seconds is the time limit on catches. Anything over that subtracted from the score. Catch events is not something I believe need to exist because catch dogs literally need little to no training...most of the time it's 100% instinct.


Steve I think Ted was referring to catch dog trials and not bay trials.

However Ted I have to say your statement about catch dogs needing little to no training is not accurate. We are training 2 catch dogs (in fact the guys are working with them as I type) and if you want a GOOD catch dog that has a LONG hunting life, you have to train them. Even when you get a catch dog out of proved catch lines...

Anyway for those that want to know about BAY COMPETITIONS YouTube has lots of videos and don't be afraid to google the topic..anything that seems confusing or contradictory just ask here..I`m sure one of us can sort it out or explain it :)

foot note: Hey Steve ..Pandora caught! :D :-BD and Lamar got to be here to see it!! how cool is THAT? Gets better..his dog Omi caught too (*)

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 Post Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:20 pm 
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And here is a cute video I found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwDDJ3jw ... re=related


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 Post Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:46 pm 
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I can't repeat what Mike said about that video.. :))

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 Post Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:26 am 
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That is crazy. That wouls not happen at my house.

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 Post Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:26 pm 
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O.K. Now i understand about these PET PIGS i have been hearing so much about. And i guess those are some of the world famous hog dogs that go with them???? :-\

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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:38 am 
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If those dogs are in fact hunting dogs then, I tip my hat to ole' boy. He has got a handle on those dogs.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:14 pm 
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I can see that happening at my house, sort of. My lacy hates cats with a passion but he learned that he has an off switch when I had to take in some friends' cats for several months. He understood that they were not to be molested but would still go after other cats outside. Smart dog..I'm assuming those catahoulas are the same way.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:57 pm 
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OK our Lacy Dogs are straight up Hog Dogs with excellent handles (well most of them) but that pig wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes on the ground at our house..
I think even my cat would beat it up and eat it...

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