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Origins of the Lacy Hog Dog from Helen Lacy Gibbs
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Author:  NLDA [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:44 am ]
Post subject:  Origins of the Lacy Hog Dog from Helen Lacy Gibbs

During the course of our interview, Helen Lacy Gibbs asserted two things about the history of the Lacy Dog that will likely be unpopular. But both points are corroborated by several documents as well as unedited family and local history.

1.) John Lacy, Helen's father and the son of breed founder George W. Lacy, was told the original dogs were a mix between a hound and a wolf. It was said to be a wolf, not a coyote, and no particular breed of hound was named. Other articles indicate various stock dogs were added after the brothers arrived in Texas. But it should be noted that John Lacy's dogs were consistent in type and performance, and he did not outcross to Helen's knowledge.

2.) Contrary to the claim that the Lacy is "the only dog breed to have originated in this state," family history asserts that the brothers created the breed in Kentucky and brought the original Lacy Dogs with them. This was the story told to Helen's father, John Lacy, by his own father, George W. Lacy. Additionally, their existence back East was noted in letters from West Virginia, Virginia and Tennessee looking for these hog dogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x4B6Bm4G7Y


Author:  Jim Browning [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:08 am ]
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You troublemakers! :D

Author:  SteveW [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:56 pm ]
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Not trouble making, just providing all available information, as disparate and contradictory as it may be at times, so that everyone is able to research and draw their own individual conclusions.

Steve

Author:  MisB [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:30 pm ]
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:)) Though I knew Jim was teasing...I know there are those who will think that is the case.


The N.L.D.A. is blessed with a Director of P.R. who has a bachelors in Investigative Journalism. Between Vanderbilt and U.T. Julie learned a thing or two about finding the truth and telling a story properly. ;) Add to that founding members who's singular goal is to preserve the Historical accuracy of the Lacy breed while promoting it as a true working breed..and what you get is progress in the right direction! :)

Nicely put together as usual Julie ! (*)

~Mis

Author:  SteveW [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:49 pm ]
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Ummm, Masters........ Not Bachelors. :)

I figured that Jim was just poking an ant hill but there is always truth in jest so I figured it a good time to clear that up.

Steve

Author:  MisB [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:26 pm ]
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ooooooooooops Sorry Julie..Masters not Bachelors.. ;)

Steve you cleared it up nicely..and I`m glad you did :p

~Mis

Author:  Julie N [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Origins of the Lacy Hog Dog from Helen Lacy Gibbs

I love digging for a story, and uncovering the true history of the Lacy Dog has been fascinating, so I'm always excited to work on it.

Mrs. Gibbs wanted to do a video interview because her words have been edited and misinterpreted for years. And honestly, that just blows my mind. When you actually look at the documents and listen to her stories, there is a very consistent history that matches up with the local lore on the dogs. I don't know why people thought it was OK to rewrite this history and I really don't know why they thought it was necessary. Given the tremendous impact the breed had on the Hill Country as well as the Lacy's ties to the capitol building, they are still Texas to the core.

But even if it causes a fuss now, I think it is really important to get the story out, and share it in Helen's own words!

Author:  Jim Browning [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:30 pm ]
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Some pots need a good stirring now and then, don't they? And anything worth talking about is worth poking fun at. That's my motto anyway, and why I'm in trouble half the time. #-o

Author:  Betty L. [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:24 pm ]
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It interesting to see what Mrs. Gibbs has to say. I have heard so many conflicting stories in the short time that I have had a lacy, that is so very nice to have her tell it like it was. She is an amazing woman. She can spit out those dates, names, etc with out faltering. I would never be able to do that, much less at 85!!

Betty

Author:  jerryg [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:44 pm ]
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In the interview she states the dogs originated in Kentucky but the letter on the board by Helen Lacy Gibbs states the following:

Quote:
My grandfather, George Washington Lacy, Jr., came to Burnet County in 1858, with his three brothers, John, Hiram, Ewin, and Frank, from Christian County, Kentucky. After arriving, George and his brothers developed a breed of dog known as the Lacy Hog Dog. They had crossed a hound with a wolf and continued cross-breeding until they had the best dog for working hogs and other stock. George and his brothers were rock masons by trade and raised hogs also to further their income."
:-?

Jerryg

Author:  MisB [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:40 pm ]
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Jerry the letter you quoted that we have here, was posted on Breeder info.com and varied quiet a bit from the original that the genealogical Society of Burnet has..we didn't know that until AFTER we placed a copy of the first one here. At some point it was edited.
Now both the original and the Breeder Info.com version are available to the public.

Author:  Julie N [ Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:14 pm ]
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Yes, Mrs. Gibbs letters were edited, and we didn't know that until we met with her. We're still working on getting all the documents and connecting all the dots, and since the Gibbs family has already received some phone calls, we want to get that done before going into the details. But we will make notes or correction.

But Helen made one thing very clear and it's the same story she's always told - the Lacy brothers brought the original dogs with them.

Author:  jerryg [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:19 am ]
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If thats true, thats pretty crappy.....

Jerryg

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