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Shoes is going completely raw!
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Author:  PSD Ryan [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Shoes is going completely raw!

I started him on Beneful puppy food. Then I started reading about raw and began giving him half Sojos, half Beneful. The half and half was to save money. That Sojos can run up costs of $100/month if you only feed it. But I also noticed that he wasn't digesting the sweet potato in the Sojos, and that's the first ingredient listed. This kinda showed me that he doesn't get nutrition from vegetables. I've decided to go raw with him. I ran out of Sojos today, though I have another 2 bags on the way (I'm sure I can sell them to my buddy who uses it also). Tonight, he eats chicken quarters!

Author:  PSD Ryan [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:49 pm ]
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Walmart had chicken quarters for .59 per pound!

Author:  Jamie [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:50 pm ]
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We have gone with a food called "Taste of the Wild" and get it from our local feed store. It is pretty competitively priced. Gotta love it when the first ingredient listed is MEAT!

Author:  AmberLowMiddleton [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:13 am ]
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Ryan, chicken quarters are always that price at Wal-Mart. It's a pretty good deal, and that's what we started our dogs on when we went raw. With 9 dogs, though (back we have 11), it still added up! Now we don't buy meat for the dogs...they eat what they catch or DJ kills.

If you're going to be buying meat, my best advice is to scour the sale papers and stock up when you can. We have an old freezer outside that's solely for "dog food". Also, remember that Wal-Mart and several other stores match competitor's ad prices.

I'm glad you're feeding raw...Shoes will love it!

Author:  Betty L. [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:30 pm ]
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Raw is sure the best for the dogs.

I'm not fussing at anyone who doesnt feed raw, and everyone has to make their own decisions for their own situation, but there are things to consider when making the choice.

The first is, of course, the ingredients. There are so many ways that people can be fooled about the ingredients. Meat, should always be first and it should say meat- not meat by products. Most of the better kibbles have stuff that the dog simply cant digest, as the sweet potatoes. Dogs do not have enzymes to digest vegetables or grains, so that is simply junk - mostly filler- to keep from putting so much good stuff in the kibble. Filler can be anything from corn, rice or soy- which to me is just the worst- to potatoes, green peas or anything along that line. The food that is put in as carbohydrates is totally wrong for the dog. A dog converts carbs from the protein that it eats. When the carbs are put into the food as filler, etc is never completely used. That is one reason that you see so many fat dogs now a days. They cannot convert all the carbs that they are getting from their kibble, so it is stored as fat. You dont see many fat lacys, but they are out there.

The next thing is that, even tho it may be a good kibble and the dogs do very good on it, it is dead food. The meat and gruel stuff can be from diseased cows, dogs that were euthanized, flea collars from dogs who were picked up dead off of the road to actual good human grade meat. You have no way of knowing that as there is very little control over dog food. The rules say that it should be human grade meat, but that simply isnt what is used as dog food. I'm not saying that all dog foods are the worst, but you just dont know. Then, when it is cooked, it kills off the enzymes and nutrients and fake nutrients have to be added back in. The nutrients that are added in can just as easily come from China as anything, and again, there are no controls on those nutrients. And, the enzymes are never (as far as I know of) added back in. You can never underestimate the benefits of the enzymes and the need for them.

I can tell a difference in my dogs even from eating deer, as opposed to eating meat that comes from the store. The thing that really amazes me is how the dogs coats look during the winter when they are eating a diet of 100% good, grass fed, raw, like God intended, meat. I cannot tell a difference in anything other than the coat, but their coat will be just beautiful, like some pampered show dog.

Last night Roy took the 'blues brothers' for a short walk and Lucy stayed in the house with me. When they got back, Roy was carrying a dead jack rabbit. Larry is getting real good at catching those rabbits! Roy had gutted it and he cut it up so each dog had about the same size portion. They seemed to really enjoy chewing and eating that rabbit. Of course, there is not a lot of meat on a jack rabbit, so after they finished their rabbit, I gave them some beef heart. They were so satisfied that evening. I dont remember noticing that before, but they all seemed to be very content when eating and afterwards. Abe slept very good and didnt move around, chew on his feet, or anything like that. I just believe that man cannot replace the dog hunting and eating raw on the hoof. I cannot furnish food like that very often, and jack rabbit is not the greatest for a dog, but I would dearly love to be able to feed them wild food and as close as I could get to nature such as putting out a whole deer for them to eat, but it cant be done without flies and bugs taking over.

I admire any of you who decide to feed raw. I know that there are a ton of reasons why people dont feed raw and each reason is viable for those people. For those of you who dont feed raw, I am so glad that people are learning what is the better kibble for their dogs.

Author:  PSD Ryan [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:26 pm ]
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is constipation normal? he's been pooping, but quite often he will try to poop and can't. He is smashing up the bones alright, but he just has trouble sometimes getting it out.

Author:  AmberLowMiddleton [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:48 pm ]
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I know this is gross, but what do his stools look like? If they're white and chalky, he probably needs less bone in his diet.

Author:  Betty L. [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:03 pm ]
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Constipation should not be a big deal. Remember that 10% bone is a very small amount. If you give him too much bone and he does get constipated, give him straight meat for a couple of days, it'll take care of it. Or, if it bothers you, give him a chunk of liver and that will take care of it.

Also, raw fed dogs will tend to strain more sometimes. It's just normal. Sometimes they will strain if the stools are runny. If they are taking care of it themselves and dont seem bothered, dont worry about it. It takes some getting used to- not worrying about whether they are constipated or if they have the runs, etc. When you have fed dogs kibble for a long time and their poops are pretty much always the same, you get used to that, but with raw fed dogs, it's just not like that. Sometimes they have solid poops that turn white the next day, sometimes they have the runs. As long as they are getting large amounts of meat, some bone, organs and liver, you are good. If they get too much bone today, give them meat for the next few day. You'll get used to it.

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