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 Post subject: An Adventure
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:56 am 
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So we have carefully researched and planned for 2 litters..now we have been waiting for the girls to come in..FINALLY the first is in !! Oh the Dam is Abby, she is two, it's her third heat and first breeding.

The research entailed studying the lineage and their work traits, out to the furthest shadows we could find. Examining the phenotype as well of these shadow, end result being true excitement about the pending litter.

Before anyone asks, we are keeping almost all of the litter and the 1 or 2 that get to leave wont go until they are older and they have a waiting list on them.

I was just so excited when the Dam came in I had to share the news!!
Now, if Heidi will hurry up and come in we can get the entire new program kicked into gear! :)) Steve she should be coming in any time too... ;)

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 Post Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Just a little update...Abby is not quite receptive yet and Trapper is not ready to give up yet... :)) So my pretty little Tri has been kicking his butt!!

I know there are those opposed to line breeding (to each their own) but in the world of breeding & genetics it is the only true way to develop a genuine line. Our goal is to re-create Trapper. He is one of those Lacy Dogs that is the exception in range, temperament and all around drive. Eventually, through the process of line breeding , we would like to improve on those traits..but that wont come until the line is fully developed.
That gives our "out-cross" (FULL BLOOD LACY not to be confused with crossing out to another breed) time to grow up and prove herself ;)

For those that want to discuss line breeding and how to do it PROPERLY ..go for it!
But please don't just start posting opinions based on HUMAN breeding practices...lets stick to the facts and science of canines. :)

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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all I know is that it has been praticed with great results, and some not so, over decades of dog, horse, and cattle breeding. Good luck and im sure you will find a trapper jr. :))

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:46 pm 
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Thank ya Sir ! And you are correct it has been practiced for ions..even before domestication.

The key is knowing what you are doing and having a plan & goal. All of my education (Science wise) has been in anatomy & physiology (human) so I had to do extensive research into the canine world and change my way of looking at breeding to suit a new set of DNA. Incest is an ugly word in the human world but it is a non-existent word in canines, felines, horse, cattle ect. When the word is applied it's by people that most likely compare the breeding practice to the problems associated with humans who have bred that way. 8-|

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Mis, why don't you explain what the cross is and why you are doing it. I think a real world example will be very interesting. Seeing how well Banjo is doing, it sounds like that line could develop quite nicely with some educated line breeding.

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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OK I`m re posting this link and part of this article for those of you who want to learn a little more about the "Ins & Outs of Line Breeding"
With everything there are pros & cons so read the article in it's entirety if you are going to read it.
http://www.westwindgsps.com/linebreeding.htm

I`m including this quote excerpt to show how important it is to know what you are doing..
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by Jerold S. Bell, D.V.M.~Far too many matings have been done only on the basis of physical appearance with little if any regard to the sire's and dame's respective pedigrees or the interplay between the two. Novice Breeders don't realize that individual dogs may share desirable traits but inherit them differently. This is especially true of polygenic traits, such as ear set, bite, or length of forearm. And many Breeders fail to understand that breeding dogs which are phenotypically similar but genotypically unrelated won't produce the desired traits in the current litter - and will actually reduce the chance of these traits being reproducible in the next generation.


~Mis

ps> Julie I will post that in a bit ;)

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Mis, why don't you explain what the cross is and why you are doing it. I think a real world example will be very interesting.


I'd like to see that, too.

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Y'all will have to wait a little bit longer, I already packed my breeding records & plan book.
When I lay it out I want it just like it's mapped out on paper. The paper is a "guide" because ultimately step two and three rely heavily on what is produced.

I will tell you all that Trapper & Heidi are full blood siblings, Heidi is Abby's mama.
One of the pups from Abby & Trapper's pending litter will be bred back to Heidi.

I promise I will get the details laid out here as soon as we get moved ;)

~Mis

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So did Abby turn on in the woods or did yall do the bay pen thing with her?


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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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She has turned on in both Savoy...or else she wouldn't be being bred. You have to remember she had a late start..
If you came around more often or kept in touch better then you would know these things.

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Sweet. If I remember right, Tri. Good looking dog too.


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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Yes Tri-colored and good looking.
I`m really interested to see how this litter turns out all the way around..

Love how you ducked my comment.. ;)

~Mis

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Wanted to take a moment to remind everyone who reads this..PLEASE if you
plan on using the line breeding method within your own breeding program , PLEASE educate yourself as much as possible not just on the practice BUT on the dogs you plan to use.

We have spent literally 5 years studying the shadows of this line and have not approached this lightly. There are always risks involved with breeding, be it random or line breeding.
EDUCATION is key for any breeding program.

~Mis

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 Post subject: Re: An Adventure
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Abby and Trapper have been successfully bred. :-BD

Now I just have to get a new whelping box built..and wait.. ;)

~Mis

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These are exerts from some articles on line breeding & in-breeding that are some of my favorites. They are also from very experienced breeders, I can NOT stress the relevance of experience & knowledge (scientific as well as breed specific) when making this decision within your own breeding program.


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The value of information... when shared... can't be overstated. It is the only tool that enables breeders to effectively work towards sounder, healthier, longer lived, Bernese

To read the full article http://bernesebreeders.org/articles/venditti_inoutbreeding.html It discussed all three methods of breeding from both sides of the fence. Pros & Cons

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n genetic terminology, inbreeding is the breeding of two animals who are related to each other. In its opposite, outcrossing, the two parents are totally unrelated. Since all pure breeds of animal trace back to a relatively limited number of foundation dogs, all pure breeding is by this definition inbreeding, although the term is not generally used to refer to matings where a common ancestor does not occur behind sire and dam in a four or five generation pedigree.

http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/genetics/inbreeding.html

Dr. Robert Lacy http://www.vortex9.org/

AND if you only read one of these..read this one..
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First let me be clear anything said in this article refers to reputable breeders who breed to develop dogs who are the best examples of breed type (what a certain breed should look like according to the breed's standard or blueprint) and are of sound mind and body. It does not refer to puppy mill or back yard breeders as the sole purpose of those sorts of breeders are to supply the most puppies as cheaply as possible for the most profit. Considerations such as breed type, health and temperament are of no interest to these people and any linebreeding or inbreeding done by them is merely happenstance and economically advantageous.

http://www.rhiannon-cavaliers.com/linebreeding.htm for full article

I`ll be back with more.. ;)

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