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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:24 pm 
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I agree Jerry, stumps do have roots, but arent the roots kin to the stumps???

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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:35 pm 
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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:49 pm 
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OKAY lets drop the tree talk for a minute cause thats Mike's thing and y'all do not want him schooling you tonight on tree genetics & grafting and crap...lol

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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:55 pm 
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He is not who is cutting off all of the limbs is he? :- :- :-

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:)) Nah the only pruning he does is at Bayed Blue... :))

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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:34 pm 
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Ok, all arboretum talk aside ;;)... Theoretically, if you go back far enough, every dog in a breed is related to one another. Breeding them all together and back to one another is how you get a distinct breed. So even separate lines emerge from one gene pool. They are just breed independently for a long enough period of time that there are generations of distinction between them.

In the canine world, truly separate lines for out crossing don't have any common relatives on a seven generation pedigree. But Sadie, whose lineage started this conversation, is a perfect example of just haphazardly breeding it all together. She wasn't intentionally line bred on Sarge to recreate Sarge, she was lazily line bred because that was convenient. And trust me, she is not the only papered Lacy I've seen that is line bred second-to-third generation or third-to-third generation like that. Many owners will see their dog was knowingly line bred if you just extend to a four generation pedigree.

And Betty, I'm going to pull together a genetic diagram of all the colors, so that should help explain. But you actually already posted a picture that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about with the nose leather. Look at this shot of Ben and Billy from viewtopic.php?f=22&t=292.
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See the different noses? I really doubt it's lighting. Rather I think Ben has BB/dd genes (or Bb/dd, B is dominant) and Billy has bb/dd genes. So one has black base and the other has a chocolate base. Since both black and chocolate are versions of eumelanin, they dilute to a very similar, sometimes even visually indistinguishable, shade. But genetically they are slightly different.

As I said before, that is a good thing! There is a much higher possibility of Color Dilution Alopecia in a line of all BB/dd blue dogs. So even though CDA is still possible due to the universal dd, a line with Bb and bb should have healthier coats overall.

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 Post Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:04 pm 
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wow what a weath of info. i just pulled my 5 gen nkcs on my dogs and i can add some names off the the first post.

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 Post Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:58 pm 
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Great, Chad! The more the better!!

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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:15 am 
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That's great, Chad. Any names you can add will most likely help several of us with our line-chasing.

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Mrs Betty,

I would love an extended pedigree on my hounds......maybe a 10 -20 generation, like to meet all the relatives of the boys. No rush....I can wait a couple of weeks

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I'll have 10 in a few days, the 20 may take a while longer.

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Mrs Betty, your just too sweet. Thanks

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here is what i have on sage, after previewing looks like i will have to add in a couple more that didnt work. it let me do 5 gen not 6, so from top to bottem this is what i have.
Bell was sired by Zeik, dam was Jackie
Steven's Lucky was sired by Steven's whiskers dam, Raymond's frosty
jordan's levie was sired by stott's jake, dam stott's misty
jordan's lacy was sired by blue, dam was quenie
kimbrell's tuffy was sired by wilkes' louis, dam wilkes' lacy
wilkes' lena was sired by wilkes' big boy, dam wilkes' cross eyed sue
harris' drifter was sired by cambell's blue, dam cambell's little dog
hohnberger's hank was sired by hohnberger's jake, dam unknown blue lacy
hohnberger's tippy was sired by sultemeir's chip, dam was sultemeir's lady

thats what i have and i will do angie later but if Bettys doin 10 of hers she should cover it... :D


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Chad, thanks for the info. That helped me fill in a few spaces. FYI, JR's sire was Sam, and his dam was Linda. Rue's Sire was Zeek, and his dam was Lady. No owner's names, etc. on the papers (or maybe Sam and LInda were the owners' names).

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This is the 5 gen that i have for angie,
the ones i have from top to bottom for the 6th gen.
STEVENS LUCKY, SIRE WAS STEVENS WHISKERS, DAM WAS RAYMONDS FROSTY
WILKES LENA, SIRE WAS WILKES BIG BOY, DAM WAS CROSS EYED SUE
G LARREMORES RUFFUS, SIRE WILKES DD BITS, DAM WILKES WILDFLOWER
G LARREMORES CASSIE, SIRE B LARREMORES WILKES, DAM B LARREMORES BELL
RILEYS GUS, SIRE KREGERS HYDE, DAM KREGERS RED
BLUE ANGLES CRICKET, SIRE RHODES BLUE, DAM RHODES TRAPPER
BROOKS PEANUT, SIRE BURNETS BLUE, DAM GRANITE SHOALS LADY
JIMS HIGH PLAINS GRACY, SIRE BROOKS BEAST, DAM BROOKS BELL


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