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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:11 am 
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I am having a hard time deciding what to do. Billy seems to be not a good candidate for stud work according to some. I'll attach a pic for confirmation.

Anyways my main reason for considering the de-nutification is that he constantly bothers my 13 yr old male mix breed Brewster. I'll hear noise outside, usually barking and and the igloo dog house banging around. The first time I went out to check it out, Billy was trying to hump Brewster who was in the dog house. Ann, my wife, says he does this quite a lot when I am gone. I drive a truck during the week, so I don't see it much personally, but have seen some of this behavior.

I just can't stand him bothering Brewster. It bothers me on an emotional level in that Brewster is my buddy in the deepest meaning. He has been with me close to my whole adult life. Plus with his age I can't stand for him to be bothered like that in his senior years. Brewster does defend himself, but I know it frustrates him a lot.

The neutering does bother me some on a personal male level, but not a whole lot. Brewster is neutered, because he had to be because I got him as a puppy from the dog pound, so I can live with it.

What do you guys think?

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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:19 am 
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What lines does Billy come from?
I don't recall how old your Lacy is but with Brewster being fixed the mounting Billy is doing would be the more common way of him showing dominance over Brewster.
Separating them may be a better solution..

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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:24 pm 
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Billy

Father
Brooks Bull of the Woods

Mother
Leek's Lucy Lou

Bull's Parents
B. Larremore's Wilkes
B. Larremore's Little Dee

Lucy's Parents
Burke's Maximus
Burke's Whistlin' Dixie

Down the line are:

Kimbrell's Tuffy
Wilkes Lena
Riley's Gus
Blue Angels Cricket
Burkes Dusty
Thornblom's Sandy
Blue Angels Masamillion
Blue Angels Sweet Honey

I realize that Billy is trying to show dominance, but Brewster doesn't let him get away with it. I don't really want to separate them too much, because they do play well together and I think that benefits Brewster and his age. Anyways all ideas appreciated.

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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:25 pm 
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Oh yeah, Billy is a year and a half.

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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:33 pm 
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Maybe getting him fixed would help and Brewster would still get his playmate.
I asked about the lines so I could base my advice on the # of dogs from that line.
If he were the last of a line or something I would discourage altering him BUT seeing that
he is not, and you do not seem to be interested in becoming a breeder then I see no harm
in neutering Billy. Brewster would probably appreciate having a bud that is not trying to molest him ! :)) Unfortunately Billy is at that age where when he is not playing, his hormones are taking over 8-| male dogs...ya gotta love em' ! ;)

Oh and Jagd my red Lacy is Billy's brother !

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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:55 pm 
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If breeding is not your goal, I would have him fixed just for piece of mind.

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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:57 am 
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Neutering isn't always going to stop the behavior. I have a spayed female from the shelter who humps my wife's lab/rott. Looks ridilicious..a little dog humping the head of a huge dog! Everyone listens to that little female except for my lacy. He doesn't tolerate any dogs humping him intentional or not. Completely normal behavior..just showing dominance is all. My lacy was neutered at 4 and he still behaves exactly the same way but has zero interest in sex now. That's the only difference.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:00 pm 
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My opinion is that you should spay or neuter unless you plan to spend a lot of time and money being a responsible breeder.

And you should only ever breed a dog that is the complete Lacy package. My dog, for example, is gorgeous and will hunt her tail off. But she has had aggression issues that I know are genetic. So even though I wonder what her pups would be like, I'm glad I had her spayed. It hasn't affected her working ability at all, I don't have to worry about mistakes or her being in heat, and in my opinion she shouldn't be part of the breeding program anyway.

But if he is 1.5, you'll want to neuter him soon to get the humping behavior under control. Yes, it is probably dominance related, but uncut male dogs have a lot more dominance issues than neutered ones. I do think that neutering him now will make a difference. If you wait too long, it might become an ingrained behavior, and just cutting off the hormones might not be enough.

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 Post Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:16 pm 
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So did Billy get altered ? Or are you still debating ?

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 Post Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Mis- Must be in the blood. Jagd was tring to mount Suzie last week when we went to hunt. I think he is in love. :x Wouldnt leave the fat white dog alone. She is fixed so I dont know why.


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 Post Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:19 pm 
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For some reason..Red Lacy Dogs tend to fall for the "fat girls"
Brutus has always had the hots for Maya & Diva..think he marked them :))
So Jagd had to find his own... ;) Thank Goodness she is fixed!

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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:21 am 
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We alter all of our catch dogs...I hate dealing with dogs in heat! :-Q

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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:49 am 
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Really? Never had a problem with females in heat. It's keeping the MALES away! :)) I have never had an unplanned pregnancy in my females because I know when they're in heat usually. Have heard of females having a silent heat. Anyone have this happen to them?


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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:09 pm 
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Let me tell you, Ted, Cookie did not have a "silent" heat! She came in a few days after we got her from you, and it was the longest, most noticeable (I'll spare you the details) heat I've ever seen. We plan to get her fixed next time the Humane Society offers $25 spays. Someone told me that all Humane Societies will alter pit bulls for free. I don't really believe it but it's worth checking into. Has anyone else heard this?

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 Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:50 pm 
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I have not Amber but it would not surprise me...

Our Lacys always have light/silent heats.
Our Pits on the other hand are so obvious it's almost funny...ALMOST!

Thing is, Maya nor Diva have to be in heat for Brutus to love on them..he totally
romances them, licking their ears and nuzzling them...
He is not allowed to kiss on them when they are in heat. Obviously.

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