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 Post subject: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:08 pm 
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So I had Rosie spayed today. My wife was none too happy when they charged an extra fee because they said she was in heat. She was in heat in November, and definitely had no signs of heat today that I could tell. What's the deal? What did the vet see? Is it possible she was in heat? How do you tell a dog is in heat with no outward signs?

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Sorry, I cant answer that. I can tell you that it's not the first time that I have heard of a vet saying and doing that.

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:07 am 
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she could have just been coming in to heat, when the vet opens her up her repro track must have been ingorged and the bloodvessels around the tract...they add the extra fee because the dog can bleed todeath if they are not very carefull to tie off the blood vessels....its pretty much the equivlent of a woman getting a histerectamy while she's on her period...they just dont like to do it because of the extra risk...hope that helps


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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:27 pm 
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Thanks,

Ok, so another issue. It's been about 48 hours since her spay. Today she is showing scary aggression, like nothing I have ever seen. Growling, gnarling teeth, barking. And nobody is trying to touch her or anything, just doing day to day house business. I had to lock her in her kennel because she's scaring the family and me :-ss . Usually I leave the kennel open and let her come and go. Is this normal? I contacted the vet and I am still waiting on a call back.

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:46 pm 
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she could be having a reaction to the anasthesia(im sure i spelled that wrong), had a cat do exactly what your describing, she was fine the first day just real groggy and wobbly then the next day she was seriously freaking out. vet said it sometimes makes them hallicinate and its best to just shut them up in a dark room with no stimulus..the next day she was back to normal...it was weird.. but the vet said it just happend to some animals, kinda like the laughing gas they give people will put some under and others it just relaxes them...just my experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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Thanks, I'll keep her locked up today.

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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Just checking to see how Rosie is now. Hope that she is much better!

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:53 pm 
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If I remember correctly, Rosie don't like everybody. [correct me if I am wrong] Now she goes to the vet, strange people handle her. She wakes up and lot of pain. She equates people = pain. Next day, her people, still some pain = fear = aggresion.The drugs that was given to her, does not make her show agression.
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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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grandmadawg wrote:
If I remember correctly, Rosie don't like everybody. [correct me if I am wrong] Now she goes to the vet, strange people handle her. She wakes up and lot of pain. She equates people = pain. Next day, her people, still some pain = fear = aggresion.The drugs that was given to her, does not make her show agression.
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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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ok 4 days later.....Now she's devil dog, she has the mud room held hostage. If I open the door she comes at me, snarling and barking. Keeps getting worse and worse. Obiously If I could get close to her without killing her first, I'll get her to the vet. So far the vet has said pain and even meds, but the vet made it seem all that should be over by now...not getting worse. Sepsis?

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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IS there anything like a toy or treat that Rosie really loves, something that will trigger Happy, Good, her Loving, memories. what has got to happen now is giving her something that was good and happy times for her. I don't know if it will work or not but worth a try. After the pain goes away , she might change, other wise she might need to be sedated "lightly" such as a pill from the vet added to her food, TILL things change. I hate to say this but it sure sounds like a case of 'Fear Biteing' to me.
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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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Thanks grandma dawg. Ill give it a try.

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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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grandma advice is based on more experience then mine. As Grandma is saying it defietly sounds like fear agression or maybe even an unknown pain agression remember dogs hide their pain and become protective, could she be hidding an injury that occured before or after spaying?

I would like to share this as well? Its not a fix or a cure but may be a reason for her increase in aggression.
Grandma (or any others) I would really like to hear your opinion on this?

Nuetering may help to calm male dog agression, but not spaying female dogs. There is a direct link to low serotonin levels and dogs with agression and when you Spay you are removing hormones that raise serotonin? Spaying removes the production of progesterone, which is a natural calming hormone and a Serotonin uplifter.

There have been studies that say despite popular belief spaying does not calm a female dog down and spaying a bitch can actually escalate aggressive behaviour, either toward humans or other dogs.


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 Post subject: Re: Rosie Spayed
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well j, I hope its temporary and not a hormone thing. I read the hormone info as well, unfortunately for me, I read it after she was spayed. I was able to reach my vet at home tonight, and the vet has not seen a case like this before. If things don't get better by tomorrow I'm taking her in Monday (most likely sedated), to get checked out. Thanks for any and all comments.

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try whisky..........just sayin

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