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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:54 pm 
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OMG. There is nothing worse than someone going off on a tirade that they seem to know nothing about.

Alex, I dont give a hooters dink what your degree is in. You can have written the book about color genetics, but you know nothing about what I am saying. You evidently have not read anything that has been said in the thread that you say you have stayed out of but have followed.

Were you at the founding meetings of the NLDA? No, I dont think you were. Since you were not around when the association was being formed, the standards being set, the ethics being written, the website being put up, or anything else, dont you dare tell me about what the NLDA is all about.

I posted a website that I thought was interesting. I thought that a few people out there might enjoy looking at it.

Just what people have I been knocking? I have made statements about the color of dogs, period.

If you want to take your dogs somewhere else, fine, have at it. Start your own registry. I could care less. I did and I have worked hard at it. I havent sat and ran down people while I have been doing it. I have conscientiously done what needed to be done. If you want to take you dogs and start another group, fine, do it. It's a bit of hard work, but the NLDA has proven that it can be done. Dont think that you can do it by yourself tho. It took several hard working people, working together to even get it off the ground. But, dont let that stop you. Anyone can do it.

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:41 pm 
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O.K.my name has been brought into this, So I will give my opinion. I know a lot about color genes, not from a degree from college, but from breeding hundreds of horses, from Quarter, T.B. Paints AND Appaloosias. and Hundreds of dogs. I started when I was 14 years old and I am still breeding at 60 years old. So I have a little bit of "learned from doing" NOW ABOUT THE Female, renamed Star. I personally picked up the whole litter of pups.all puppies were treated the same.Started their training if "I could catch them" as a matter of fact the reason "renamed Star" along with 2 other sisters was culled was she would fall on her back and pee on her self if one of her sibling would go after her, they [her siblings] would constanly beat the crap out of her.I had to chase all three of the females around the pen just to catch them.I didn't have the time to mess with that type of a problem, so the discission was made by their owner to either put the whole bunch down or try to place them in homes to be spayed. only exception to this was if the person I took the dogs to, wanted one he could have it with papers. I have only seen "Star" once since, and my opinion of her has not changed. I personally would have not bred her. If you want my reason for this brought public, from what I seen at our first Blood Trailing event , I will put it into words and post it. By THE WAY i DID NOT HAVE A CLUE WHO "STAR" was because of the name change. until it was brought to my attention after the Judging.
Now about color Genes.
Within a span of about two years I have personally had on my property about 50 Lacys, I have seen every shade of Blue that you can think of and a high percent of these "Blues" would fade to what Betty is refering to as brown, in the summer.
Not as I stated I donot have a college degree in color Genetics, but I have some common since.With just a little research on the parent and grandparents, I knew the Red Color in the background was the reason for these blue to fade to brown. And also from breeding two Blue parents I would get Reds , Blues and a duilute of red which was a cream, some of these Creams as they got older would get darker a light Red.Not once have I read in these postings where Betty wanted to change the Standard at this present time but maybe in th e future, What she is saying is , she and a lot of other Lacy breeders including myself would like to find out from someone who knows what they are talking about, why are we getting so many differant colors. and ARE we culling a perfectly good lacy Just because most of us donot know enough about color genetics to relize there is not a darn thing wrong with the Color , just mother nature at work. But because we have a "standard set in stone" at this time in history.These Lacys are culled , killed and our gene pool is so small in this Association. I wonder what we will have in the next 20 years
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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:11 pm 
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thank you for your input and no offense was taken, Star is doing great in fact she bayed a pig tonight! I am quite happy with her!!


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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:18 pm 
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Nothing personal G.D. but i HOPE we have the SAME dogs in 20 yrs. as we have had for the lasy 150 yrs. That being said get your forks out becase I AM DONE. ~X(

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:46 pm 
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So, are you leaving the association, Jimmy? Over what? Color genetics testing?

This stuff has been so blown out of proportion that it is unreal!!

I never said that I was going to change the color standards in the next week, then next month, the next year or anything like that. I did say that I would like to look at changing the color standards. All the talk that has gone on from there has been purely speculation on peoples fear, yours especially.

It would be something if I had enough power to change the standards without anyones approval or going thru the proper channels, but 1) I am not like that, 2) I couldnt pull it off 3) I never intended to do it on my own. I intended to educate people about color genetics and let everyone understand that when you cross a blue dog with a red dog, you get different colors. But, instead, this has turned into a battle between you and your followers and me, simply because I want to understand something and thought that there would be others out there that would too.

I'm sure that the other association is sitting there having a ball!!

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:11 pm 
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I still think it would be a good idea to get the science study done............Im sure we will all learn something........

Personally I have not read anything in here that says lets change the standards now, it would not be prudent to make any changes without valid science and understanding and yes....lots of discussion......

No one needs to leave the association.....we're all adults, even when we dont act like it......

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Im sure the other guys are probably having a pretty good time wilth all this...........but they wouldnt allow this type discussion at their house..........

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:21 pm 
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Kevin is right a topic like this over there would get you kicked off the site in a second . Who really cares what they think. They would not even know were to start with this topic. They are not about handling any important topics anyway and would never have a open fourm about it. What they will get is the benifit of our work and efforts and thats how they do things. So let me make it clear were I stand on this whole thing I have not come across very clear yet I guess . 1) I am all for the testing I have no doubt that plenty of good imformation will come out of it and give everyone a better understanding of what is going on with colors. 2) I do not think anyone is trying to change the standard and as Betty said not one person can do that anyway. It would take lots of discussion and scientific proof and more discussion. I think that can be put on the back burner for sometime we are no were near having those talks anytime soon.
3) The only person I know that knows Lacy dogs in side and out is Jimmy Brooks. He has spent more time with these dogs and has bred them longer than anyone I know. I am a Jimmy follower and have no problem being classified as that at all. Its hard not to be with all he knows about these dogs. That being said Jimmy is old school as is G.D. I am also a G.D. follower. Together they have more experince than all our breeders put together. So thats were I look for imformation . If that means I am classifed as a JB follower so be it. You would not go to heart specialist it you had a broken leg. So until there is someone that has been around these dogs longer and works there dogs as hard as he does, I will listen to what he has to say and take what I need from what he has to offer . That dosen't mean I can not think for myself or that I am not open to learning form others or from scientfic testing. It can rub folks wrong when what they know gets questioned so I understand were Jimmy is comeing from. These dogs were started and came about without any gene testing or sience so try to understand were he comes from when he says what he says. I also did not take it that he was done with the NLDA just this topic. Only he knows what he meant buy his statement. I could be wrong but thats how I took it. So I welcome the testing and can not wait to see what comes out of it I think its great.

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:10 am 
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Camo you are wright i am DONE with this TOPIC. I like so maney others have put too much work into the N.L.D.A. to let ANYONE mess it up. And Betty i donot FEAR ANYTHING. [-x \:d/

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:23 pm 
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Yeah, right.

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 Post subject: Re: color genetics
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:43 pm 
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now that thats all settled.......let the testing begin......I think theres alot to learn and I am opened to learning more about color genetics.....

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